Yeah, you see--I'm with you on Pacino and De Niro, but I just didn't like Turk or Rooster enough to fully commit. I don't mean I didn't understand them, BTW, because I did--they weren't exactly complex. But I'd seen both actors do far better versions of similar protagonists in far more entertaining films (Pacino as Will Dormer in Insomnia, for example), and ended up in a weird place where I was A) admiring 50 Cent's acting (of all things) and B) wondering why Carla Gugino always plays such slutty, damaged people (it's like there's a special clause in her contract!).